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Originally posted by jam
[br]gryphon,

you had mentioned somewhere that you used liver detox as you were going through post mirena issues. I have had mine out 7 days now and I can feel the "crash".. I started 5 htp yesterday-hopefully that will make me feel good again within a day or two. What is the liver detox you used where did you get it.. Also, you mentioned healthy eating.. post mirena.. I have cut out caffeine, stocked up on eating raw veggies, low sugar cereals, juices, taking vitamins.. what other dietary changes did you make.. was anyone on antidepressants post mirena?

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Oh that's right, I used a Liver detox as well. It was just something I bought at a health food store, and it was called "Liver Detox". I have always eaten healthy, at least the last few years. I did eat extra leafy vegetables post mirena. I didn't cut out caffeine (thought that might make me feel worse). I never eat sugar or white flour.
Best of luck.

hi everyone
well im 7 days after having it removed had a period on day 3 and have stopped today....
i feel so much better.... im sure i was ovulating as well so that should be a bonus !!
im interested in the natural progesterone thing as before i had my son i lost 2 babies so when i went to see my consulant he told me to get pregnant again and then i had progesterone injections every week through my pregnancy. this worked as i have ben now.... and i must admit it was the best ive ever felt emotionally.
so can you buy this stuff over the counter or does the dr have to prescribe it ?
ive always thought that i was lacking something as i suffered with very bad pms. could this help me ??

Hello Ladies.

Day 7 update.. Feeling better physically.. although have started to feel the "crash" taking 5 htp, vitamins and changed diet.. Hoping that will help.. Had heavy period day 3 but it is gone. Not sure about the progesterone thing...seems to me that the mirena gave us higher levels of progresterone that caused all of the issues we had... yet I notice I get PMDD (realy really bad pms) 3 days before period and 3 days during my period... not sure what the hormone levels are doing at that time.. but that is the worst for me.. I had PMS like symptoms while on the mirena when progesterone levels were higher due to constant release.. anyone know anything in detail on this. One thing is clear to me that the doctors don't know, don't care to know or don't tell all of the real side effects of this and other bc methods that we in this forum and many others have found out. I told my doctor that I had joint pains with the mirena and she said that was impossible.. yet... I read so many other stories of women who had the same thing.. we all can't be hallucinating.

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Originally posted by jam
[br]Hello Ladies.

Day 7 update.. Feeling better physically.. although have started to feel the "crash" taking 5 htp, vitamins and changed diet.. Hoping that will help.. Had heavy period day 3 but it is gone. Not sure about the progesterone thing...seems to me that the mirena gave us higher levels of progresterone that caused all of the issues we had... yet I notice I get PMDD (realy really bad pms) 3 days before period and 3 days during my period... not sure what the hormone levels are doing at that time.. but that is the worst for me.. I had PMS like symptoms while on the mirena when progesterone levels were higher due to constant release.. anyone know anything in detail on this. One thing is clear to me that the doctors don't know, don't care to know or don't tell all of the real side effects of this and other bc methods that we in this forum and many others have found out. I told my doctor that I had joint pains with the mirena and she said that was impossible.. yet... I read so many other stories of women who had the same thing.. we all can't be hallucinating.

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From what I understand progesterone levels drop dramatically right before your period starts. My theory is that the problems we experience (as least many of us) is due to a lack of progesterone brought on by Mirena use. Many of us stop ovulating while on the Mirena and ovulation is required to create most of our progesterone. I also think that as our progesterone levels drop, we become more sensitive to the levonorgestrel (synthetic progestin) in the IUD. But - just a theory. Since having my IUD removed I am a little less bloated, feel a little less "foggy" but still haven't lost any weight. I'm hoping that my first period will bring some additional relief.

I think you've got that right ally-cat. It's exactly how my doc (the naturopath) explained it. She says the mirena makes us estrogen dominant, but that it's somewhat masked by the fake progestins. Then when they're removed, our bodies have stopped making progesterone, so we crash. And, yes, I lost more weight after my first bleed.

hello Ladies,

Thanks for the insight.. I am a bit confused I thought the mirena made our progesterone higher since the device releases progesterone daily into our systems hence those who were having all of the issues had too much progesterone.. I thought pms type symptoms were caused by rise in progesterone.. Not sure how all of that stuff shakes out.. would be interested to know.. so I can figure out and everyone else who reads these forums where our imbalances are so we can correct them Quick update.. I have been taking the 5htp,b6 for three days.. and I am starting to feel much better .. I crashed yesterday but will see if the natural regimen will keep things level as my body detoxes.. Great advice so far.

That's the confusion. Mirena doesn't contain progesterone, it contains progesTINS. And, yes, our bodies tend to stop making the real stuff, with such high doses of the fake stuff in our system. Then, we have it removed, and it slowly leaves our system. A few days later BOOM. We crash. Presumably because it's all left, and the real stuff hasn't started increasing yet (and yes, presumably because we don't ovulate).

Ladies.. thank you so much for all of your stories and support. Has anyone experienced a second crash post mirena? I had the post mirena 6-10 day crash.. is that it? or are there more to come?

BTW.. after 4 solid days of taking Multivitamins, vitamin b6, and 5 HTP (hydroxytryptophan), I feel like a new person.. Energy is up and the world is changing from black depression to smiles and laughter.

I researched and found out it is key to take the vitamin b6 with the 5 htp.... also adding magnesium and primrose is a good idea.. but I don't want to over"medicate" at this time so I am going to wait until my body has a chance to detox more...

Hi all,

I had a Mirena inserted after my son was born in 1997 and had it changed 5 years after and experienced only a few problems.
We decided we would like to try for another baby so i had mine taken out on 13th Feb and only had 2 slight shows since (yesterday and Mon), no bleeding at all! Reading other peoples messages everyone seems to have had a bleed at some point but i haven't only have been feeling very tired and have backache. can anyone relate to having the same symptons?[]

sally, did you experience multiple mood crashes or just an initial mood crash around day 6-day10? Also, for lots more information on post removal of mirena check out the health discussion board under mirena and weight gain. I bled for a couple of days pretty heavy and then nothing... for some folks it took a couple of months to get a normal period which is understandable given the lining of the uterus had been thinned from mirena

Hi Jam, thanks for replying. I have had no mood crashes at all after the nurse took it out i had really bad pains the next day but nothing since, today backache has gone and feel great, just waiting for my period now, i think its the only time i have wanted it!!!![]

How long have you had it out?

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Originally posted by S@lly@nn
[br]Hi Jam, thanks for replying. I have had no mood crashes at all after the nurse took it out i had really bad pains the next day but nothing since, today backache has gone and feel great, just waiting for my period now, i think its the only time i have wanted it!!!![]

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Originally posted by jam
[br]How long have you had it out?

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Originally posted by S@lly@nn
[br]Hi Jam, thanks for replying. I have had no mood crashes at all after the nurse took it out i had really bad pains the next day but nothing since, today backache has gone and feel great, just waiting for my period now, i think its the only time i have wanted it!!!![]

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since 13th feb?

Hi Everyone, I endured the mirena coil for five years, with all the side effects I put up with. Weight gain, loss of sex drive, dry skin, headaches and acne. I was told by my doctor it had nothing to do with the mirena coil. I had my coil removed last July and found this message board the day before the procedure. It was like someone had turned a light on, it wasn't all in my head. I fell pregnant two weeks after it was removed, this was planned. Though it was sooner than we expected. As soon as it was removed over the the following weeks I lost 7 pounds, my face which was angry red and blotchy, with spots just under the surface of the skin(cheeks and chin). Has improved but my skin is still blotchy not as red. I don't know if being pregnant hasn't helped. How long did your spots/acne take to clear up?

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Hi all,

I had the mirena coil fitted on the 24 march 06. So not that long ago, I was told that there was no side effects to this and after reading this forum i now know that what im experiencing already is quite normal.

I have had really bad pain in my back and tummy. I have tried really strong pain killers and they dont even touch the pain, along with that in the last couple of days really bad headaches which when i look down sends shooting pain. To add to this i look pregnant and have spots over my face and chest, now this is all so i can have sex with my partner without getting pregnant there must be another way !!!!
I rang my doctor who said that i needed to wait a little longer as the side effects will pass, but after reading this forum i think not, so im off to the nurse tommorrow where i can have it removed.

I shall post if all these side effects go!
fingers crossed

Kala
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24 Feb? (since it's not yet 24 march).
Yeah, that sounds about how many of us felt. My belly just kept growing!

Hi,
I posted on the main Mirena Weight Gain topic but thought I'd ask here as well...

I'm 8 days post removal. Feeling a little less "in a fog" but still bloated. Actually gained weight last night without eating habits changing much I am pretty sure it is all fluid...I can feel it in my face.

Anyway, I've started taking DIM and 5-HTP and hope these will help. However, I also feel that using progesterone cream would help as well. My question is whether I have to wait until my period to start using it? Will taking it too early in the cycle interfere with ovulation?

Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Alison

Hi ally. If you've not yet ovulated (but expect to) wait for that expected day (say, 14 days before next expected period). If you've ovulated or dont think you will, go ahead and start it. Start with the upper end of the dose for the first month or so. and do it twice a day. Best of luck!

Went to get my Mirena removed and on BCP, but my BP was VERY high and the doc wouldn't take it out. I really want it out... and also she couldn't find the strings. So now I have to get checked out somewhere else to figure out what the heck is going on. I'm really ready to have it removed and not too concerned about getting on pills until I get my Blood pressure under wraps. This is pretty upsetting since I had my heart set on getting it removed. And really disgusted by how the other stupid doc says that my weight gain, etc has nothing to do with having the mirena. I think I know more about my own body then they do.

alijenks.. hopefully a different doctor will be able to find the strings.

all...I feel like for as much as the docs know.. there is plenty they don't know or care to research. My obgyn still insists that the mirena didn't cause the issues I had with it, and didn't know about 5htp. I have done plenty of research and found out lots from this forum and I think we are doing a better job..I feel healthier.. Typicaly scenario.. one of the things the mirena had caused for me was joint pain, depression and insomnia.. so the doctor prescribed me ambien to sleep.. which then caused more joint pain and depression (since those are side effects of ambien as well)... so then you go to the doctor for joint pain and depression and you get prescribed... antiinflammatories, and prozac.. so now you are on four types of drugs just to feel partly normal and you are still in pain.. yet...I got the mirena removed.. detoxed my body from all of the drugs.. and I feel incredible... all because doc didn't associate that the mirena can cause those side effects.

More to the point.. I think this is the typical belief system within the medical community.. is to prescribe the pill for the problem.. rather than fully understand the side effects and studies that have been done on the pills they are prescribing.